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	<title>Comments on: Euro 2008 LIVEBLOG: Greece vs Russia</title>
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		<title>By: Ivy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well it was a nice game...greeks were passionate and so were the russians...that goal..was soooooo not an offside..but people talked about soft spots from the referee..too obvious! maybe abramovic bought the game...hehe.joke brittons said yesterday! anyway i strongly support the Dutch! amazing team...i wanna see Holland  vs  Portugal...i wanna see Ronaldo crying again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well it was a nice game&#8230;greeks were passionate and so were the russians&#8230;that goal..was soooooo not an offside..but people talked about soft spots from the referee..too obvious! maybe abramovic bought the game&#8230;hehe.joke brittons said yesterday! anyway i strongly support the Dutch! amazing team&#8230;i wanna see Holland  vs  Portugal&#8230;i wanna see Ronaldo crying again!</p>
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		<title>By: jonkon</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonkon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and to Russian exile, despite the diving, the lucky goal and the victory for you guys, i don&#039;t hate the team and they did play well at times. hiddink is a good coach and with arashavin back you should do well. good luck against the swedes and the rest of the tournament if you make it out of the group. your defense is a lot better than i expected, though i think that pavluchenko is a terribly overrated player. i hope arashavin goes to roma this summer, the winger is class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and to Russian exile, despite the diving, the lucky goal and the victory for you guys, i don&#8217;t hate the team and they did play well at times. hiddink is a good coach and with arashavin back you should do well. good luck against the swedes and the rest of the tournament if you make it out of the group. your defense is a lot better than i expected, though i think that pavluchenko is a terribly overrated player. i hope arashavin goes to roma this summer, the winger is class.</p>
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		<title>By: jonkon</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonkon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AJ has posted about nine comments bashing greece, mind your own country. what do you have against greece?</description>
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		<title>By: jonkon</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonkon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Portugal 12 is a sore loser (the portuguese should be used to losing by now) and AJ is just an anti-Greek prick, fucking racist.</description>
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		<title>By: Ian Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russian exile - I&#039;m not saying it was just his fault.  Nikopolidis had no help at all, but he overcommitted, and that&#039;s coming from someone who has played the game (a bit too much to assume there, mate) and also played at the keeper position.  Zyrianov might well have had the goal regardless, but he would not have had such an easy tap in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russian exile &#8211; I&#8217;m not saying it was just his fault.  Nikopolidis had no help at all, but he overcommitted, and that&#8217;s coming from someone who has played the game (a bit too much to assume there, mate) and also played at the keeper position.  Zyrianov might well have had the goal regardless, but he would not have had such an easy tap in.</p>
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		<title>By: Russian exile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russian exile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as for the goal-keeping error. Maybe it was an error, (in that &quot;clooney&quot; initially mis-judged the pace of the ball, as it had an odd-spin and he was not being able to catch it before it got to Semak). However he obstructed Semak and if not for that insane bicycle kick, he would have no chance to get it back in the box. It would of PROBABLY been a goal for Zyrianov whether &quot;clooney&quot; was on his goal or not.. it was the defensive line that fell asleep (the 3 right next to Zyrianov, trying to play the off-side despite having their team mate 3-4 meters in front of them) rather than the keeper. DON&#039;t blaim the keeper, it was he who was awake, while the others were complacent to simply &quot;hope&quot; the ball out of play, rather than take action or at the very least stay alert against the wide-open Russian sitting inside their box. 

If you blaim the keeper you probably have never played the game. It was a cruel goal however... very cruel... not exactly the type you prepare yourselves against in practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as for the goal-keeping error. Maybe it was an error, (in that &#8220;clooney&#8221; initially mis-judged the pace of the ball, as it had an odd-spin and he was not being able to catch it before it got to Semak). However he obstructed Semak and if not for that insane bicycle kick, he would have no chance to get it back in the box. It would of PROBABLY been a goal for Zyrianov whether &#8220;clooney&#8221; was on his goal or not.. it was the defensive line that fell asleep (the 3 right next to Zyrianov, trying to play the off-side despite having their team mate 3-4 meters in front of them) rather than the keeper. DON&#8217;t blaim the keeper, it was he who was awake, while the others were complacent to simply &#8220;hope&#8221; the ball out of play, rather than take action or at the very least stay alert against the wide-open Russian sitting inside their box. </p>
<p>If you blaim the keeper you probably have never played the game. It was a cruel goal however&#8230; very cruel&#8230; not exactly the type you prepare yourselves against in practice.</p>
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		<title>By: Portugal 12</title>
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		<dc:creator>Portugal 12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GREECE WHERE ARE YOU???</description>
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		<title>By: Russian exile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russian exile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being Russian, I&#039;m very happy the national team won today and get to face Sweden next week in a do-or-die with everything in their hands ...and crucially this time with Arshavin which instantly raises confidence if nothing else. However I must say I barely recognized their play today. I thought the sole reason we got nailed 4-1 against Spain was pure laziness from center-back Roman Shirokov. Well needless to say Hiddink replaced him with old (and now pretty slow) but dependable Sergei Ignashevich. However he also made offensive adjustments, not including our purest striker Sychev, or one of the fastest wingers in the world Bystrov, (both of which were subbed out in Game 1 due to their &quot;invisible&quot; performance). Leaving Pavluchenko alone up-top resulted in Russia&#039;s most defensive (if such a thing is possible for them) formation that I&#039;ve seen in a while.

Apparently, the &quot;naive&quot; squad &quot;learning quickly&quot; meant copying what other teams do instead of playing Russian style. I saw them do things I almost never do;

#1) Hiddink must of instructed them to react like a bottom-10 English team would, (say Wigan Athletic or Derby County), in that sent the ball out of their own box with something I never seen... a sense of urgency..sometimes even resulting in a corner! rather than trying to play the ball out against 1/2 the Greek squad, like some 1950s Brazilians.

#2) They tried to get calls, instead of goals, infact DIVING!!numerous times!!! or at the very least adding simulation to a foul. Russian teams always play better when the ref is a lenient one. The UEFA Cup final (Zenit versus Rangers) was a good example of that - the ref saw no reason to stop the flow every 30 seconds and gave no yellow cards except to the keeper in the 92nd minute. In fact I thought they were at a huge disadvantage for the 1st game against Spain in that the ref was whistle-happy.. and one would imagine that would play into Spanish hands against anyone, but especially against a Russian squad. The rain didn&#039;t help things either. But apparently they tried to emulate the cry-baby Spanish or maybe even watched a few Portugese games? I don&#039;t know why it happened but seeing class players like Zyrianov going to ground made me sick.

#3) Russia didn&#039;t shoot the ball enough in the Spanish game. They tried to walk the ball into the net, IN THE RAIN and against Puyol and Casillas. Pavluchenko particularly was hesitant to strike. So what changed? Well Pavluechenko felt it was his duty to lash at anything inside of 40 yards, even if he had an open team-mate making a clear run towards goal. 

All in all, a win&#039;s a win but I thought part of our goals was to showcase Russian style to show that Russian football was making a comeback. That sure as hell was not done tonight. Looked more like some MLS game (American top-flight). 

And I&#039;m sorry my home team had to knock-out my 2nd favorite just to have a chance to progress.

Greece you&#039;ll always have 2004, no one expected that nor did they give you any credit. Your 2004 victory was far more convincing that Italy&#039;s 2006 WC. 

Peace...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being Russian, I&#8217;m very happy the national team won today and get to face Sweden next week in a do-or-die with everything in their hands &#8230;and crucially this time with Arshavin which instantly raises confidence if nothing else. However I must say I barely recognized their play today. I thought the sole reason we got nailed 4-1 against Spain was pure laziness from center-back Roman Shirokov. Well needless to say Hiddink replaced him with old (and now pretty slow) but dependable Sergei Ignashevich. However he also made offensive adjustments, not including our purest striker Sychev, or one of the fastest wingers in the world Bystrov, (both of which were subbed out in Game 1 due to their &#8220;invisible&#8221; performance). Leaving Pavluchenko alone up-top resulted in Russia&#8217;s most defensive (if such a thing is possible for them) formation that I&#8217;ve seen in a while.</p>
<p>Apparently, the &#8220;naive&#8221; squad &#8220;learning quickly&#8221; meant copying what other teams do instead of playing Russian style. I saw them do things I almost never do;</p>
<p>#1) Hiddink must of instructed them to react like a bottom-10 English team would, (say Wigan Athletic or Derby County), in that sent the ball out of their own box with something I never seen&#8230; a sense of urgency..sometimes even resulting in a corner! rather than trying to play the ball out against 1/2 the Greek squad, like some 1950s Brazilians.</p>
<p>#2) They tried to get calls, instead of goals, infact DIVING!!numerous times!!! or at the very least adding simulation to a foul. Russian teams always play better when the ref is a lenient one. The UEFA Cup final (Zenit versus Rangers) was a good example of that &#8211; the ref saw no reason to stop the flow every 30 seconds and gave no yellow cards except to the keeper in the 92nd minute. In fact I thought they were at a huge disadvantage for the 1st game against Spain in that the ref was whistle-happy.. and one would imagine that would play into Spanish hands against anyone, but especially against a Russian squad. The rain didn&#8217;t help things either. But apparently they tried to emulate the cry-baby Spanish or maybe even watched a few Portugese games? I don&#8217;t know why it happened but seeing class players like Zyrianov going to ground made me sick.</p>
<p>#3) Russia didn&#8217;t shoot the ball enough in the Spanish game. They tried to walk the ball into the net, IN THE RAIN and against Puyol and Casillas. Pavluchenko particularly was hesitant to strike. So what changed? Well Pavluechenko felt it was his duty to lash at anything inside of 40 yards, even if he had an open team-mate making a clear run towards goal. </p>
<p>All in all, a win&#8217;s a win but I thought part of our goals was to showcase Russian style to show that Russian football was making a comeback. That sure as hell was not done tonight. Looked more like some MLS game (American top-flight). </p>
<p>And I&#8217;m sorry my home team had to knock-out my 2nd favorite just to have a chance to progress.</p>
<p>Greece you&#8217;ll always have 2004, no one expected that nor did they give you any credit. Your 2004 victory was far more convincing that Italy&#8217;s 2006 WC. </p>
<p>Peace&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RF</title>
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		<dc:creator>RF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehe, Hiddink does it again. I guess you really can&#039;t underestimate the teams he&#039;s coaching, no matter how crappy they seem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehe, Hiddink does it again. I guess you really can&#8217;t underestimate the teams he&#8217;s coaching, no matter how crappy they seem.</p>
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		<title>By: Soccer Delirium</title>
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		<dc:creator>Soccer Delirium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greece will lose because of a terrible goalkeeping mistake. Let&#039;s hope they can push through. They looked good for a few minutes at the start of the half but now they are back to just defending Russian counterattacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greece will lose because of a terrible goalkeeping mistake. Let&#8217;s hope they can push through. They looked good for a few minutes at the start of the half but now they are back to just defending Russian counterattacks.</p>
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